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Clueless Lyon Jumps Off the Cliff

Cliff Lyon, see also, in his futile effort to prove Alan Korwin a liar, chooses to ignore all of the evidence his commenters have submitted to the contrary and declares Alan a fraud, proving his quest for the truth about Defensive Gun Uses as only so much mental masturbation. Not content to make personal insults and threats of physical violence against me, he has dedicated three whole posts to trying to expose Mr. Korwin and refuses to accept any evidence to the contrary. What is the saying about leading a horse to water?

An excerpt from his latest screed:

Despite claims to the contrary, Alan Korwin did make a public statement that is untrue (a lie), and given the opportunity to apologize or correct his statement, has chosen to defend this untruth.

On April 9th 2008, Alan Korwin appeared on C-Span. In that speech, in reference to gun ownership in America, Alan Korwin claimed “hundreds of millions of lives are save each year.” His defense is a 1995 poll by Kleck.

But that poll never won peer review, and the 1997 National Institute of Justice Research Brief, “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms” concludes, NSPOF based estimate of millions of DGUs each year greatly exaggerates the true number. (National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms)

So Alan’s claim is not only laughable and absurd but also, demonstrably false and therefore irresponsible.

Go over there and comment if you’d like, or not. Nothing you say is going to change his mind, but there might be some fence sitters over there.

UPDATE: I just saw this response he posted in the comments. Is this guy for real?

And, as a matter of fact Glenn. I do not believe that preventing robberies, burglaries, rapes, assaults, auto theft, etc are valid reasons to use a firearm.

Why would you kill someone who is trying to steal your car or your girlfriend. Isn’t that a bit heavy-handed?

Do you seriously want a bunch of folks out there carrying guns just in case they think they see someone trying to steal something?

So theoretically, some thug could break into this guys house, assault him and proceed to rape his wife and/or daughter and he wouldn’t lift a finger to help. Some people have reached an evolutionary dead-end and are just too stupid to live. Even sheep will try to protect their young from predators. Someone who is too dim witted to protect themselves and their loved ones should do us a favor and not reproduce, further polluting the gene pool. What did Robert Heinlein say?

Oh yeah…

Selfishness is the bedrock on which all moral behavior starts and it can be immoral only when it conflicts with a higher moral imperative. An animal so poor in spirit that he won’t even fight on his own behalf is already an evolutionary dead end; the best he can do for his breed is to crawl off and die, and not pass on his defective genes. — Robert A. Heinlein, Address at the U.S. Naval Academy, 5 April 1973

Perhaps the title of this post should have been, “Cowardly Lyon Jumps Off the Cliff.”

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