The Real Gun Guys

Cliff Lyon Loves Me

I think I pissed him off.

May I assume Yuri is your real name and as such, if I returned your invective, I would be calling Yuri Orlov a Jackass? …which I am not doing yet, but certainly can if you prefer to go down that road.

I’m not one for an elitist standard of decency in dealing with authoritarian tribalists with selfish, narrow, rednecked paradigms.

You know, sticks and stones…

I’m happy to go toe to toe with you if you like, as long as I don’t have to smell you. From your picture on Technorati, I’m guessing the pile of flesh you carry around is commensurate not only with the strength of your conviction, but also the myriad of odors one finds in a meat packing plant.

You may assume whatever you like, I really don’t care. Your opinion is of no consequence to me. I find it ironic when you say “You know, sticks and stones…” and then stoop to calling me a redneck and close with a fat joke. You are soooooooooo funny. You must be the funniest person you know. Tell me, when you tell jokes at parties, do people laugh and smile nervously and then sneak away when you’re not looking? What’s next, dick jokes? I do find the notion of me as as an “authoritarian” hilarious however. Seriously though, isn’t that more the province of you statists?

Aren’t name calling and personal attacks the last refuge of those without a leg to stand on?

Just asking…

Sticks and stones Cliffy…

You must know that the need to cite unscientific polls conducted by mindless, gun toting zealots to defend an absurd position (people need and guns to defend themselves in America) reflects the very desperation that position.

The claim that 400,000 people per year use a gun to save their lives, is on the order of a statistic that would have been implausible even in World War II. Thats why no one has bothered to prove the “professor” wrong.

But since you like dealing with absolutes, like when my bullet enters your brain, you are definetly (spelling! -ed) dead, lets do the same here.

Was that a threat? I guess that explains the difference between you and I. I would never, even in jest, suggest that I’d shoot you. Why are you anti-rights bigots so violent? Regardless of the reason, you seem to think that everyone has as little self control as you, as evidenced by your comments.

Let’s get one thing straight. Nothing I say is going to change your mind. You are one of those people who are so invested in their belief system, Jesus himself could come down off the cross and tell you I am right and you still wouldn’t believe him. Still, I’ll give it a shot.

The estimated US population (July 2008), according to the CIA World Fact Book is 303,824,646. 400,000 of 303,824,646 is .13%. What do you find so unbelievable about .13% of the population defending themselves with firearms?

There is a saying, “If it isn’t written down, it didn’t happen!” This is why if someone defends themselves with a firearm and doesn’t file a police report, there’s no record. Obviously. This is why there’s no exact number, only an estimation. If no one is hurt, and the bad guy runs away, why is there a need to file a police report? Most people don’t.

In any case, there are at least three sites I can think of that make a habit of archiving DGU’s (the ones that make the papers). You’ve been pointed to them before, but here they are again:

Civilian Gun Self Defense Blog
The Armed Citizen
Gun Watch

You’ll probably sneer at these, but the paper of record these came out of are all listed, so someone of your great intelligence should be able to track them down to verify their authenticity if you’re so inclined.

Can you give me ANYTHING more bankable than some professor did a poll? How about a link to the poll, or the questions asked or the methodology used. How about some peer review (do you know what that is)?

I think your statement, “totally pwned in the process by people who rely on facts and statistics instead of blind emotion.” is a bit pre-mature.

IOW, saying it, doesn’t make it true. True to me is something on the order of, you know, a bullet to the brain.

There’s that shooting thing again, you really need to chill out.

If you refuse to believe you’ve been “pwned” by the good professor and other commenters on your blog, then you haven’t been reading the comments. Try reading them again, and pay attention this time.

Google is your friend, but to show my charity, here’s a short reading list for you:

• “Targeting Guns”, Dr. Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State University, 1997
• James Wright and Peter Rossi, “Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms”, New York: Aldine, 1986
• FBI, “Crime in the United States”, 1998
• U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Federal Firearms Offenders study, 1997. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, “The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons,” Research Report, July 1985
• Dr. Gary Kleck, “Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force”, Social Problems, February 1988
• Fall 1995, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
• “More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-control Laws” by John R. Lott

One more, this from the Department of Justice. You do read your comments, right?

Read these and get back to me if you have any questions.

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